So because Anthony Weiner made up a lame excuse, we are supposed to assume that anyone who says they were hacked is lying, even if no sexting pictures were involved?

Janet Vrostos- Director-Local Union 2222 IBEW Building Corporation. (See my profile for Terms of Service for posting replies).

Please see my TERMS OF SERVICE as to responses. Thank you.

It’s called FREE SPEECH ….F’d up yes but her right

Hi Sam, as I told frankieitalan. She does have her first amendment so do you and I. I can petition her employer to not represent them in such a way, will they listen. Who knows? We all have the same right to ask and I wasn’t demanding.

although short, it was a good conversation, if you want to further this, you know how to reach me

That is the first Amendment Folks! I thank all of you for speaking your minds

Probably because we have a little thing call the freedom of speech in this country and it’s up to her employer and not you or the government to decide if she has a job or not for her vile comments.

Might want to read history before making such comments

Love how you warp history. Actually Vietnam began under Eisenhower and the middle east wars are all Republican ventures. But nice try

Apparently you never heard of the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution. Eisenhower and Kennedy had few advisors in it. It was Johnson in 1964 that turned it into a major conflict.
Go read real history or better yet, talk to some of us Vietnam Veterans.

I was a few years too young be in the vietnam war but it would be an ignorant statement to say that I didn’t know what was going on politically then and just because you were one of the brave soilders who went to fight that you somehow have a ‘in’ to all the answers. Eisenhower did not support the Geneva Accords signed by France and Vietnam in the summer of 1954. The Accord made the 17th parallel dividing the country of Vietnam to north and south section until two years when they would hold a free election for all of the country. Eisenhower and his secretary of state John Foster Dulles believed that the agreement gave the communist too much power in the north. Instead Eisenhower decided to create the Southeast Asia Treaty Organization (SEATO). This treaty’s purpose was to stop any more communist influence in Southeast Asia. This was clearly the start of a problem. If you are going to blame. Clinton for his mistaken politics in the middle east you need to be consistent and see Eisenhowers involvement in Southeast. Asia. Anyway we got off topic. But thank you for your service.

frankienstein; You might understand that history, for the past 100 years, has been mostly written by leftists and allot of it is lies and B.S.!

History doesn’t decide what people do today.

What a stupid ass

Hey Frankie, ask Harry Reid how many of the approved bills by the House he has allowed a vote on. Nope, not a one dealing with any cuts of any kind. Reid even caused the government shut down along with POTUS by not allowing a vote on delaying obamacare even one year. Hey, isn’t that just about what Obama is doing now? Did you miss the talking points?

The government should have stayed shut down until what we needed was accomplished but no the pansies had to cave. Big GRIN. you moron.

And considering that you are an Allen West follower and believer, that just makes me even happier. It just proves that believe any bullshit you hear.

If anyone is the racist it is going to be YOU. You try to call me racist because I don’t believe Allen West. You know nothing about me, I stand in strong support of President Obama, and last time I checked, he was Black as well. Also, I am not a mother, I am a Father, so obviously you are as sexist as you are racist.

You have no honor with your words

So, all of a sudden it is now COL. WEST! Are you trying to impress me? I am more impressed with the homeless veterans I see out on the streets than I am with the “impeccable” Col. West.

Actually it was Hitler who took over the unions first. In order to keep the working people from having a voice

Hey Brendan, now that Kolfage has admitted that JV didn’t send those posts are you so eagerly awaiting the news of an innocent woman’s demise?

Patriotic? are you kidding? Unions may have patriotic members but the Union is all about membership and power. They are not about increasing productivity of the workers, educating workers, making this country better. They are about getting more members in order to gain power/ money and then to keep it. Thugs who do the union’s bidding are no more patriotic than toadies who work for politicians. Talk about mindless sheep. I have been on the other side of a union line most of my life and I see what venomous hate union members have for those who don’t joint their ranks. It is really sad and pathetic. To use a blanket statement that all union members and union are patriotic is about as sheep-like as it gets. Public sector unions are a mixed bag teachers union being the worst and Firefighters and Police being the best while thinking above their union Fortunately for us on 9/11 the police and firefighters stood by the citizens, did their jobs and deserve the credit for it.

By calling me a Scab you have proven my point. I have never been a paid scab, but I have never been a union member either . The sad thing is you forget the Union doesn’t pay your salary we the citizens do. I am sorry you put the union above the rest of us. I will not speak of those that died on 9/11 other than to say I would imagine they were (heroically) Americans first that day not some member of Union with total disdain for the citizens who paid their salaries ( apparently unlike you). My brother was both a firefighter and a cop. He told me he never forgot who (citizens) he worked for and always was there for his brothers. Likewise He never cared much for the Unions. Congratulations, you seem to have bought the entire union line of crap about how well they take care of you (with taxpayer money).

Ref: “I am neither a Republican nor a Democrat and everything I’ve mentioned above are historical facts…maybe you should put a little time in to research before you make outlandish falsehoods.”

Did I say that I was a Democrat or that I supported them, or that I supported any other specific party? No, I did not. .

” Wow! You apparently have NEVER listened to Bill Clinton or Barack Obama! Even Hillary Clinton is a professional Alinskyite! I believe that you jumped to a conclusion and then told me that I “should put a little time in to research before you make outlandish falsehoods.” “…or maybe you never heard of Saul Alinsky. Saul Alinsky was the guy who wrote the book on ‘say-one-thing-but-do-the-opposite’ and ANYONE who writes their college thesis (hint, Hillary) in praise of this anti-American has got to be the epitome of an Alinskyite. Alinsky wrote a little red book called “Rules For Radicals.”

Why, Yes! I have heard of Saul Alinsky! Thank you for asking! Facts? Research? Newt Gingrich declared “The centerpiece of this campaign, I believe, is American exceptionalism versus the radicalism of Saul Alinsky.” while speaking of his campaign? Newt who left wife one when she had Cancer and declined to pay child support for his children. Cheated on wife two with his Congressional Aid… that is now wife number three AND states that he believes in family values. Newt criticized sex outside of marriage, promoted traditional family life and opined that “any male who doesn’t support his children is a bum.” “Newt Gingrich keeps likening President Obama to radical community organizer Saul Alinsky. But Gingrich seems to have adopted Alinsky’s tactics himself, as has the tea party. Mainstream Republicans aren’t happy.” There are some research and facts for you. You might enjoy the following article: http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/The-Vote/2012/0128/Who-is-Saul-Alinsky-and-why-is-Newt-Gingrich-so-obsessed-with-him/(page)/2

I don’t know about that, John, but I’ve had several friends who have had their accounts hacked and used for this very thing. I am also friends with several sites that have been hacked and used to try to get money donations.

Really? I wasn’t aware that companies no longer fired people for no good reason. Or that all workplaces were safe… Or that all people got fair wages… Or. That health benefits were available to all… Or that bigotry and prejudice were gone.

The “Union” a blanket term. I am an apprentice Pipefitter with the United Association. Our skilled trades of Pipefitters, Welders, Plumbers, Sprinklerfitters, and HVAC Technicians is nearly 50% of the industry as a whole. Our Union is still very good to the industry, the project owners, the contractors, and the members. Allen West’s post about this Union member is irresponsible as his article did not need to include the Electrical Union, only Vsotros, and only if it were found true to be her words. What happened to Innocent until proven Guilty? Today it is Guilty until Innocence is convenient.

Union dues are very low across the nation and the higher pay that unions bargain for keep wages up across the board. Would you rather see poverty wages in this country? Don’t be ignorant

What’s good for the middle class IS good for the country. Don’t be so ignorant!

You have no idea what you’re talking about. I’ve been lucky enough to work in a union for 25 years. We have meting every month where we discuss what we can do for our community.
Do you do that at your job?

1) unions don’t push jobs overseas …companies who want to pay employees 2 bucks and hour go overseas. Do you want to get paid what they do in India? This race to the bottom mentality of the far right will ruin this country.
2) no union asks for dues of 140 a month…your mistaken. The average dues are 30 to 40 a month and it’s tax deductible.
3) as for you voting no on a union…good for you. That’s how democracy works. However don’t be ignorant. Companies like att…Costco. ..ups…ge…nbc…are all union and productive. I’m sure if you ever get in trouble at work just because you have a ssupervisor that doesn’t like you, you may regret your decision.

its just not that simple I work union and also as an independent construction worker I may agree with some of your assessments .I cant speak with any authority on manufacturing but union construction work in my area is highly competitive and were very productive .yes ive seen some situations like you speak of with companies and union people but without the union I would be in 100000s of thousands in debt and no pension to speak of to deep to really get into im just hard workin man with no conections trying to get by peace happy neew year

How do you know that you would be in debt without a pension without a union? I believe a hard-working man would get paid according to his worth….that is WITHOUT a union.

If that’s how they really believe and teach their “children” maybe
abortion is the way to go for them— to put it into their perspective! what a bunch of morons!

You should take him… You need all you can get if you ever want to take the white house again.

I am a liberal, and am very proud of our military! how ridiculous to claim that all liberals don’t support our military.

And you vote for people who want to take away earned benefits from police and fire.. Does that make you a hypocrite?

Don’t blame a union for the acts of poor city management and planning

There are no paychecks if the company folds. Use your head.

I most certainly do not vote for people who want to take from police and fire… but I know you alarmists always bring that up to keep the spending for the welfare going

If you vote for the far right you are voting against cops…fireman…teachers and 9-1-1 dispatchers

Sorry not being sarcastic at all, it is based on my observation of Tea Party members who only care about their narrow view of who is deserving, and in their minds it is only themselves. They would take away veterans services in a heart beat if they perceive that some one is getting something more than them, or even something they got in the past.

As for “freakin dumbest posts” you must not read any of West’s posts .

So are you going to call out Mr. West on his leap attacking this woman, who says her account was hacked?

Yeah, right…her account was hacked…that’s the ticket!

First of all thank you for your service. Secondly I must respectfully disagree. When I see people hating the government… Hating the President of the United States… Hating fireman and cops who risk their lives for citizens just because they also want a union… And Wanting to shut down the government to prove a point… I don’t see Patriots. I don’t see people who love America. I see people so obsessed with their own ideology that they can’t see that we all need to work together.. Compromise… And work towards a common goal of making our nation strong. No… The Tea Party are not Patriots but simply zealots.

If you were a true patriot you would realize we have a two party system for a reason. So… Your no patriot

With all due respect…every right winger here has questioned the patriotism and loyalty of progressives (liberals) over and over again. if I included you and you didnt feel the same I am truly sorry for making an assumption that i shouldnt have.

Scotland, I just get tired of the fact that because I have different political views than others ..IE liberal versus conservative that somehow that makes me less of a patriot. So I guess I did the same thing with your post and for that I am sorry and was wrong…. I am a union member…a member of a large municipal fire dept….and a Democrat. That doesnt mean I hate my country, want to bleed the tax payer dry with my pension nor want to destroy the American ideals of freedom. And your right…just because someone is conservative doesnt mean they hate gays, want to suppress woman and hate all government workers. As you said so well…both sides are guilty…its just tiring to see the extremists so vocal. Thanks for accepting my apology and i wish you the best. God Bless.

I have questioned the real patriotism of Union leadership (not their members). Real Patriotism doesn’t mean Trumpka waving a flag in May Day celebration. If you believe that this country would be better off being centrally planned by an all intrusive government then you don’t really understand the nature of this country and what made it great. If you believe in guaranteeing everyone regardless of contribution a “living wage” then you don’t understand what made this country great. If you believe that your union is always right regardless if their policies are bad for your industry then you don’t understand what made this country great. If you sole objective is to raise union membership as the expense of an industry then don’t be surprised if someone call you out on it.

Yes May Day grew out of both the Haymarket affair (police killed 4 union workers after a bomb was thrown into police lines and the 1894 riots in which union workers violently attacked police and firefighters. In 1904 the Socialists declared May 1st as International Workers Day. So one way to interpret it is, as the day socialists/union thugs celebrate their violent past.

‘Not true. I never questioned your patriotism. At the end of the day, we all want the same things. Progressives are ideologues that think they can regulate and legislate morality while trying to attain a utopia, whereas conservatives believe that common sense and human nature will prevail if we are to continue to be a successful republic. Fire fighters and cops work very hard and take many risks to serve the public. However, the people of the private sector work hard too and some of us take risks to start a business and employ others. Why should the public employees have better benefits than the private sector? Most of us pay into our own IRAs to prepare for retirement. We don’t have guarantees and security like Union public workers. You need to start asking what you can do to help your country rather than demanding that they help you. We all have to pitch in during these hard times. Pull yourself up by the bootstraps and quit your whining. Just because you’ve read some “hate mail” doesn’t mean that we are all haters. By lumping us all together as something you abhor, you are prejudiced.

The beauty of our country is that it is the land of opportunity, but an individual’s potential income depends on their attitude and motivation too. We make our own educational and vocational choices. Some work harder than others and that is their choice. The fact that CEOs make more money than we do is not an issue because we all had the opportunity to strive to be a “one percenter”, and there’s no guarantee that an individual will stay there. Please read Thomas Sowell’s take on this. http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/312786/who-are-1-percent-thomas-sowell We all start from the bottom. New teachers are paid so little that they need a supplemental income to get through the ranks.They have more time off than most and with experience, they are finally able to have a decent wage and pension. No one is a victim; we need to take responsibility for ourselves. “Rich envy” is very unbecoming as well as a moot point. I question your claim that the private sector makes more money than the public sector. The CATO institute study takes into account that there are other variables determining one’s income and uses statistics on a random sample rather than following social security number of specific earners as the IRS has done. I am not comparing the life and death risks you take to save lives with the risk I took to build a business. I’m just saying that we choose what we love and take the bad with the good. I love my career choice because I get joy in serving others. You can’t put a price tag on that. The economy has nearly destroyed my small business; I’ve had to borrow from my savings to stay afloat, but I continue to pay more taxes than you could ever imagine, all the while supporting 3 other families. Our focus should be on job creation in the private sector and I know you don’t want to hear this, but the best way to do this is to decrease taxes…Reagan proved this and Clinton enjoyed riding on the coattails of his predecessor. The public sector has to tighten its belt as well, in order for us to get out of this terrible depression/recession.

Your ignorant

A glaring example of abject stupidity. Try you are aka you’re, frankie..Man the examples of half assed ‘intelligence’ spring forth from your handle with regularity. You’re ‘Old Faithful’ when it comes to ignorance.

That’s absurd.
I could go through your entire comment and dismiss it as BS, but I think the others have it covered.

Wow I now understand you have real issues with insecurity in being a fireman. Who in the wide world of sports hates firefighters? The left hated Reagan and Bush with a passion.
So why is not all right to dislike and distrust Obama?
Distrust of an all powerful government is what many of the founders believed to be healthy and necessary for the Republic to survive. The TEA party from I have been able to ascertain does not hate the Government. It wants the government to be held accountable for its failings, fiscally responsible and less intrusive. In short most of the people, groups that affiliate themselves with the TEA party want a government that adheres as much as it can to the Constitution. I have never read anything where the TEA party groups hate the Police or Firefighters. From I have read the TEA demonstrations have been particularly respectful to law enforcement (unlike the OW’s of the left) this is more sad leftist propaganda. It seems like the union leadership is pulling your strings again.

The right wing propaganda machine has fooled a portion of our population to vote against the better interest of the common man in order to put even more wealth into the pockets of the very wealthy, for crying out loud te last Republican presidential candidate had lowering the tax rate on dividend income from 10% to nothing.

You don’t have to thank me for serving I would do it all over again. Crossing a picket line to work is a persons right. If you don’t agree with the Union position you should be allowed to cross. since I have never been a member of a union I can’t how I could ever have crossed their line. The line never existed to me. I would argue that lowering salaries and the adjustment of pension payouts could be the result of economic necessity due to incredibly desperate financial situations brought by poor fiscal management of many cities and municipalities. You can’t for example blame the right wing for the economic ineptitude of Detroit. 30 plus years of poor fiscal management and corruption rest solely in the hands of the Democrats. Public Pensions agreed to that now cannot be paid is not the fault of the right.

You are funny but sad. Calling it morally wrong to cross a picket line may well be your opinion.but doesn’t mean it is true. That is assuming that all strikes are right and the union is never wrong. it is rather silly and delusional.

Yeah, the TEA Party just wants the government to live within its means and not bankrupt the country. Which is the goal ofr obama and soros, his boss. Read about how how soros made his billions by bankruoting the Bank of England. And then realize he’s trying to don the same thing here. Then understand that when the government goes bankrupt your union agreements are worthless pieces of paper. Will you let peoples homes burn to the ground because you don’t have your union contract? Now, that would be patriotic, wouldn’t it?

Wall Street doesn’t spend government money. And that’s what helped give birth to the TEA Party. The national debt and the resulting increased taxation is the problem.

Now with regard to public service unions, let’s hear it from the father of big government in America, FDR.

“My dear Mr. Steward:

As I am unable to accept your kind invitation to be present on the occasion of the Twentieth Jubilee Convention of the National Federation of Federal Employees, I am taking this method of sending greetings and a message.

Reading your letter of July 14, 1937, I was especially
interested in the timeliness of your remark that the manner in which the activities of your organization have been carried on during the past two decades “has been in complete consonance with the best traditions of public employee relationships.” Organizations of Government employees have a logical place in Government affairs.

The desire of Government employees for fair and adequate pay, reasonable hours of work, safe and suitable working conditions, development of opportunitiesfor advancement, facilities for fair and impartial consideration and eview of grievances, and other objectives of a proper employee relations policy, is basically no different from that of employees in private industry. Organization on their part to present their views on such matters is both natural and logical, but meticulous attention should be paid to the special relationships and obligations of public servants to the public itself and to the Government.

All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management. The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in mutual discussions with Government employee organizations. The employer is the whole people, who speak by means of laws enacted by their representatives in Congress. Accordingly,administrative officials and employees alike are governed and guided, and in many instances restricted, by laws which establish policies, procedures, or rules in personnel matters.

Particularly, I want to emphasize my conviction that militant tactics have no place in the functions of any organization of Government employees. Upon employees inthe Federal service rests the obligation to serve the whole people, whose interests and welfare require orderliness and continuity in the conduct of Government activities. This obligation is paramount. Since their own services have to do with the functioning of the Government, a strike of public employees manifests nothing less than an intent on their part to prevent or obstruct the operations of Government until their demands are satisfied. Such action, looking toward the paralysis of Government by those who have sworn to support it, is unthinkable and intolerable. It is, therefore, with a feeling of gratification that I have noted in the constitution of the National Federation of Federal Employees the provision that “under no circumstances shall this Federation engage in or support strikes against the United States Government.”

I congratulate the National Federation of Federal
Employees the twentieth anniversary of its founding and trust that the convention will, in every way, be successful.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=15445

That’s ridiculous. Where exactly are those comments? What observations? What members? I call BS.

Look, I think whoever wrote this should condemned. But I will not accept anything as fact because of one source that appears to have its own agenda. I would be a fool if I did. Is it possible this woman wrote this? Yes. Is it possible her opponents hacked her account in order to ruin her reputation? Also, yes. But, until I know more facts, I refuse to believe. I’m not demanding 100% facts, I am, however, seeking other sources in order to make a sound judgement based on the acquired information. Any intelligent person would do the same I believe. By the way, I do not consider myself left or right. Extreme left is a form of fascism, as is extreme right, if you ask me. It’s all so petty. Humans need to evolve.

Well put!

I have 4 and of course the sandwich analogy is a reality in my house. I learned a long time ago that a sandwich left alone is a sandwich gone.

Likewise!
All four are rescues including Lab /Shar pei mix (?) , Pit mix, Boxer/German Shepard mix, Lab/Pharaoh Hound mix. My wife is a passionate advocate and board member of a rescue organization(naturally so am I). We do feeding routes, adoption events, fund raising, actual rescues, animal transport and of course fostering.
Definitely agree both sides are guilty of name calling. I just get extremely tired of the Fascist moniker hurled my way when I propose a smaller more responsive and efficient government. Discussing similarities rather than focusing on differences sounds great but how in the world would Super PACs ever survive? Thanks again for the civil repartee.

Food for thought (no pun intended-sandwich) I like the banter with some on the web. Primarily because it challenges my opinions and beliefs. Which in turn I think helps to keep me honest. I do sometimes get carried away and like you mentioned in the end what does it matter? When I am out with the volunteers in our city and I see the abuse and neglect that many animals endure (of course children too) and it is maddening.

Dogs or not, the fact is that this union head has to prove her account was hacked. The weight on the evidence is on her. Otherwise it is nothing but an argument from silence. She made an attack, became viral, and she tried to cover her steps by LYING about a hacker. Typical Modus Opernadi by radical liberals when caught in an act of intolerance, a word they so much preach.

Perhaps you should read my other posts, they will provide my reply. Thank you.

Thank you, I know the history of fascism and there’s no point in explaining myself any further if you overlooked my meaning. It’s not my main point and I added that as an afterthought. There was no need for you to write a wall of words about it.

Saying that, I have read up more on this subject and I must admit, there appears to be no information that indicates Jan has provided proof that she is innocent. I find that highly suspicious. I agree with you, if I was in her shoes and had the ability to vindicate myself, I would. It appears that she hasn’t. Bet you didn’t expect me to say that? All I’m saying is it’s frightening how people are so eager to accept something as fact with the minimal amount of information.

Look at it from my perspective, this site is the first time I have read about this story. I have never heard of Allen West until today. From what I saw, Allan was as guilty of a biased opinion as Jan was for posting obscene comments. So, I need more information before I make any decision and I believe people shouldn’t accept something as a fact without getting a bigger picture. What exactly is wrong with wanting that?

There’s a long history of Democrats wishing death to every wounded veteran?
You’re absolutely, positively out of your mind.
Now that Kolfage has admitted JV didn’t send those posts do you agree that one could clearly “adduce” that someone was lying about all that evidence?

I have, have you?
On Brians page he now clearly states that Jan Vratsos did NOT send those posts to him.
I wonder how that’s possible with all that “evidence” he was going on about?
The “traps” he had laid that PROVED that Vratsos viciously attacked a horribly injured veteran online?
…and then, when the FBI get involved he COMPLETELY changes his tune?
Kinda makes you think, huh?

Clearly, you have not read my other posts.

It’s amazing how quickly you believed everything Brian Kolfage said and accepted it as “proof”.
1)Ms Vrotsos DID have a Facebook account, like millions of others.
2)The only evidence that those posts were sent by Ms Vrotsos was the screenshot provided by Kolfage.
3)Of course she disabled her Facebook. Once she got attacked by thousands of people, who wouldn’t?

For anyone even remotely knowledgeable about Facebook a fake account under the name “Jan Vrotsos” can be put together in two minutes. Then send a message from that fake account, grab a screen shot and you’re done. Instant character assassination.

Brian Kolfage claimed he had her IP address, claimed he had set an online trap that “proved” the messages were sent by Vratsos.
How could ANY of that be true since he now apologized and admits that Vrotsos DIDN’T send the posts.

Who do you think really sent these messages? Who profited?

LMAO! Brilliant! Yet another person has helped to prove my point. Three people have flamed me so far. All three clearly haven’t read what I am saying and their replies are based on little or no facts. Most of all, their replies are ego motivated. It appears they have no idea they have flamed me, because I prefer to question everything and think people shouldn’t accept something as a fact based on the minimal amount of information. Now, I don’t know exactly what you’re learning in high school or if you are in high school, but your comment sounds like something a teen would say. Speaking as an educated adult, I don’t allow other people to think for me, I think for myself. Nobody influences me. Evidence, facts and information influence me. It’s ironic to me how the people who try to dumb others down, often lack any intellect themselves.

Pusillanimous putz! Now that’s someone with either a good vocabulary or a handy thesaurus. While I appreciate your need for phlegmatic posturing, once again my point is ignored. My replies are based on the comments I’ve received and all them see what they want to see. I stand by what I originally stated. So far, not one person has told me why they disagree with it. Instead, I’ve had lesser points taken out of context or base insults like yours thrown at me. My point is simple, nevertheless, I will repeat it again. Perhaps you can tell me what’s wrong with it.

What I’m saying has nothing to do with Jan or Allen West. They are merely incidental. My comment has to do with the ease people accept something as a fact. Since this was the first time I heard this story, I would not form an opinion. In actual fact, I have feeling Jan actually made those comments now that I have read up more on this topic. But that’s besides the point. It appears people believe anything these days based on nothing. There’s an army of people on the planet now who believe that aliens visited ancient man! People accept anything it seems. What’s worse is it’s almost the norm. Are you telling me I’m wrong because I want more information before I commit to an opinion and that people should try their best to do the same? THAT is my point. Perhaps you can the be the first person who can address what I’m actually saying instead of turning it into a reason to preach at me or insult me.

Again, my point is ignored and I’m told what I can and can not talk about. I did nothing except state that people appear to form an opinion based on little or no facts. This comment was made after reading some of the comments on this page. Very much ON the point actually. I stated in another post that I have no trouble with debate. However, I will not tolerate insults or being told how to think. So far, you have laced your comments with childish insults and ignored my point entirely by telling me I shouldn’t have made them in the first place because it’s not how YOU would have done it.

Seriously, grow up and come back when you learn how to talk like an adult. Until then, I’m done wasting my time on you.

Exactly what did you base your belief that Jan actually made these remarks”?
Have you bothered to look at the “victims” website? He has confirmed that she did not in fact make the offending posts.
It’s funny, I’ve corrected about 100 people who posted hateful and threatening things about Jan Vratsos explaining how she has been completely vindicated of any wrongdoing. Airmen Kolfage himself explains on his own website that Mrs Vratsos didn’t send those posts to him. Not a SINGLE person has posted anything apologizing for al the hateful, vicious terrible things they said. I haven’t heard about any of the people who sent Emails to her bosses or phoned her or her family to threaten and harass them …none of these monsters has apologized.